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L. Mukunthan
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Date: 2011/4/20
Subject: maangna உடன் அரட்டைக்கு
Date: 2011/4/20
Subject: maangna உடன் அரட்டைக்கு
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9:31 am நான்: http://tambrahmrage.tumblr.com/
maangna: leave it
knowledge me something abt current affairs pa
11:39 am நான்: who won the world cup cricket in 2011.
maangna: india
நான்: world cup football?
which year was it held lastly?
11:40 am maangna: 2010??
நான்: hm
country?
i mean country which won that?
11:41 am maangna: held in S.A but don remembr who won pa
நான்: Spain
maangna: yeah i forgot
நான்: who is the president of india?
maangna: it was 19th fifa cup
நான்: wow!
i didnt know that!
:)
11:42 am maangna: man mohan singh
நான்: wow. when did he become P.r.e.s.i.d.e.n.t?
maangna: oh he is not??
நான்: ok. he is not.
tell me what is his position in the govt?
maangna: pathiba patel??
11:43 am நான்: what?
maangna: president?
நான்: hm. yes.
Prathiba Patil
wt is Manmohan Singh then?
maangna: prime minister
11:45 am who is annahazre
நான்: good question.
maangna: badil solluu
11:46 am நான்: ok. u tell me who is it?
tat was wt i was abt to ask u then.
tel tel tel.
bol bol bol.
maangna: i don knw abt him... i found his name in too many social n/w
நான்: sol sol sol.
ok....
11:47 am tis is 1 further good development.
anna hazare is a social activist.
wt does a social activist do?
maangna: dunno
நான்: a social activist tries to solve the issues that are widespread and affecting the entire society on the whole.
11:48 am wt u and i do?
we try to solve our own problems.
individual problems.
but, they fight for common causes.
say, freedom struggle.
the freedom fighters are merely social activists of those days.
got it?
11:49 am maangna: hmmm
நான்: ok. now let's jumb into anna.
jump*
he is a social activist.
maangna: so anna hazre is a soc activist and he struggle for soc welfare
11:50 am நான்: absolutely.
social welfare is affected by many different issues.
maangna: this is wat is he entirely??
நான்: atrocities against deprived communities. against women. corruption. etc etc.
he is now fighting against corruption.
ok.
maangna: wat curription?
11:51 am நான்: i ll say one more before dealing with corruption.
maangna: curroption??
okay
நான்: this will be more important to know abt anna hazare.
11:52 am anna hazare's original name is baburao hazare.
he retired from army and returned to his village in maharashtra.
there, he found the village being fully spoiled by liquor brewers.
u understand who r liquor brewers?
??
11:53 am maangna: yup
நான்: goood.
he did small small steps
to turn the village against them.
and now today.
the village is called as a model village in india.
a model village is one, which has all the best ameneties.
11:54 am amenities* include proper drainage system.
proper water resources.
proper power supply.
proper irrigation to farms. etc etc.
11:55 am one more is that: the village is self sufficient
which means, the village does not depend upon other villages or states for it's own basic requirements.
say for example food vegetables milk cattle etc
so all this happened, ONLY BECAUSE OF ANNA HAZARE
11:56 am and his transformation since 1970-80s.
getting anything?
maangna: but isn't he been familiar so far and why this much familiar nw??
நான்: wt tala suthing?
ok. tat s a wonderful point.
he is familiar.
11:57 am but not in soc and youth network.
he won national award i hope
w8
maangna: okay wat is the village tat he made wealth good??
11:58 am நான்: he was awarded padma bhushan way back in 1992
in recognition of his transformation of "Ralegaon Sidhi"
Ralegaon Sidhi
gaon - village. ek gaon main ek kissan raHa raHa tha tha
11:59 am Rale gaon - Rale Village.
got it?
maangna: and y it is called model village
நான்: read above once again.
in india, not all villages are self sufficient.
12:00 pm they lack the basic amenities.
no proper drainage. water.
no schools.
no hospitals or primary health centers.
maangna: those villages tat are self suff are model villages??
நான்: but, some village, because of proper and organized administration get things like that
yes.
12:01 pm that qualifies them to be called as model villages.
maangna: name some other model villages
நான்: swathi maadhiri dance aadanum means, swathi is a model dancer.
cant say pa.
there re some in tnadu also i hope.
12:02 pm ok. we'll stop here with anna's village transformation.
we'll come to why he's so popular today! ok?
12:03 pm maangna: chinnajalapuram is at the process nw of becoming a model village
okay
நான்: oh cool. wer is it?
nearer to? madurai, coimbatore, ???
12:04 pm wt hpnd?
maangna: dist of anantpur, andra pradesh
நான்: super pa.
12:05 pm perfect.
u mention with the district name u get it then.
maangna: okay....
நான்: fine. shall we go to why he's pop today?
maangna: is anna hazre for the the whole india or world or for paarticular dist?? or wat??
12:06 pm நான்: hm. this is answered below:
maangna: 5n thn lets move on
நான்: he did this transformation in way back in 1980s 90s. ok.
tat was for tat village only.
but then, he's been occupied continuously
towards a number of other social initiatives.
social initiatives ??? got it or not?
12:07 pm means, steps to overcome the social issues
maangna: wat is soc initiatives?
நான்: eg: if there s no school in the village.
to build a school
collect funds from ppl
maangna: shivaju mari
நான்: donate funds from our own pocket.
absolutely
maangna: shivaji*
12:08 pm நான்: sai baba maadhirinnu kooda sollalaam.
maangna: ni continue panu
நான்: (puttabarthi)
ok.
there is an NGO called India Against Corruption
wt is an NGO?
12:09 pm maangna: i knw NGC its national geographic channel but NGO??
நான்: Non Governmental Organization.
for example, Government establishes welfare measures
children welfare. women welfare. etc etc
12:10 pm maangna: okay
நான்: but apart from that, some individual/private organizations also do some welfare like that
they are called NGOs.
Some NGOs fight even against a govt.
where the govt is against a section of people.
maangna: like voluntarily helpin out others from our pocket??
12:11 pm நான்: it is organised by a group of people
maangna: i understand
நான்: it will employ people for their business.
they can be employees or volunteers also.
say for example tehre is one called Narmada Bachao Andolan
12:12 pm maangna: wait a min
நான்: one famous NGO in gujarat.
ok.
12:13 pm ena aachu?
maangna: tats formed by narendra modi?
நான்: nope.
formed against the govt of gujarat.
will discuss abt this further and in detail later.
i just gave an example.
12:14 pm maangna: okay
whr was first NGO formed?
நான்: cant saay.
maangna: wait pa
நான்: i thnk i loaded too many things at one go! :(
12:15 pm wt hpnd?
12:16 pm enna pa aachu???
12:17 pm
12:18 pm
12:19 pm u got wt an NGO is?
maangna: Ngo
நான்: done?
maangna: yup
நான்: cool.
so, India Against Corruption is an NGO.
is that "an NGO" or "a NGO" ??
12:20 pm maangna: a NGO??
நான்: nope.
maangna: an NGO?
நான்: a/an is determined on the pronunciation and syllable.
wehn u say, u say 'en-gee-oh'
ok.
maangna: ipo enda grammar ku pona...
நான்: terinjuko pa.
12:21 pm maangna: wat is en-gee-oh
நான்: before we got to his ngo, we go to corruption.
ur pronunciation pa... when u say ngo, u'll say like 'en-gee-oh' only.
maangna: okay
நான்: wt is corruption?
12:22 pm maangna: is sort of spoiling the routine with some distractions so far to my knwldge
நான்: super pa
wt is bribery?
12:23 pm maangna: offering something tat is needy??
opp to curruptn
நான்: needy is wrong.
nope.
bribery leads to corruption.
i do some work. i get a salary.
but, my work benefits my employers client.
12:24 pm so, i get a tip from the client for doing the job. tat is bribe.
maangna: alr8... like gettin into habit of smoking etc etc etc??
நான்: hey, idhu vera adhu vera pa.
maangna: mathitangala
seri sollu
நான்: puriudha?
i gave an eg of bribe! did u get it?
12:25 pm maangna: doing a work for some one's cause but being benifitted is briberri??
நான்: hm in a way.
to put an small example. u keep tips in a hotel to the waiter. it's a bribe.
12:26 pm why coz the waiter is salaried to serve u.
u pay the hotel for the services.
but u tip the waiter unnecessarily.
this is just an example.
in this case, even hotels do not oppose doing this. and is a normal routine worldwide.
maangna: so its a black money ??
நான்: good.
12:27 pm black money is money that is UNACCOUNTED.
so, in a way that becomes black money.
maangna: yeah got...
நான்: for example, if u go for a dinner in park sheraton.
in the bill, at the footer, the bearer tips will be included at 2% of bill amount.
12:28 pm so this will be added to the bearer tips at the end of the month in his salary.
this is a way of making it transparent and white.
got it?
maangna: i've seen tat in some other restaurant bills too pa...
நான்: so this is ACCOUNTED.
maangna: so we need not tip thm r8??
நான்: gr8. naan idhu varaikkum, avlo peria restaurants ku ponadilla...
tat will be included.
12:29 pm but, it's again a convention, to tip the bearer more than that amount.
tat is a status symbol. :P
maangna: avlo peiya restaurant povendam... sangeetha, cofeeday, mb, thr are too many pa
நான்: ok leave it.
now in tat example: i will give another case.
12:30 pm u go to a hotel and u r offered a seat and a bearer.
i too come to the same hotel. occupy a seat.
i am also offered the same bearer.
u hv already been to the hotel earlier. tipped the bearer well.
whereas, i'm new.
12:31 pm -- are you in line?
maangna: he'll serve me good than u
நான்: absolutely.
maangna: again a status symb
நான்: though, i may be going to give more business tot he hotel...
so, i'm forced to tip him more than u, to get the better services. right?
maangna: i'm gettin
12:32 pm நான்: good.
one more case.
we both are going on an untime.
the meals was abt to be closed.
both of us are very damn hungry.
maangna: hmmm
நான்: am abt to enter the restaurant.
12:33 pm the bearer sees me, and sees u at the corner of the road, approaching him.
-- nice illustration?
maangna: ni sollu da
நான்: though am close to the restaurant, he prefers u than me.
so, he says to me, the shop is closed.
maangna: because i've tipped him well in my b4 visits!!1
நான்: and after i leave, he receives u and offers u the deal.
yep.
absolutely.
12:34 pm this will be well against the interests of the hotel owner.
because, i'll eat more and pay more to the hotel owner.
maangna: to stop this is whr curruption starts??
நான்: until u paying the tip, it is bribery.
the moment he prioritizes u to me is where corruption begins.
12:35 pm maangna: aw... okay
நான்: so both r evils to the civilized society.
maangna: okay
12:36 pm நான்: now both bribery and corruption are at peak in the govt offices.
anniyan: inga enna birangi bera oozhala nadakkaradhu???
maangna: everywhr or in india??
நான்: everywhere on general basis.
maangna: hmmm
நான்: india is in the top 20 list of the corrupt countries.
12:37 pm now u got an idea of corruption right?
maangna: yeah
நான்: gr8!
so now back to channel 1: anna hazare.
12:38 pm channel 1.1: Anna Hazare with India Against Corruption.
maangna: i was abt ask u anna hazre va kanume nu
நான்: ok. am back. and so he is.
maangna: okay
நான்: the NGO India Against Corruption has some prominent social activists.
maangna: i'll ask u one
நான்: what?
12:39 pm maangna: anna hazre is devolopin a model village and why all r rising voice for him as if he is doing things throughout every whr
நான்: w8.
12:40 pm model village chapter is already over.
adhu 6th standard social science.
u r now in 8th standard. :P
maangna: so anna hazre is not familiar for devolopin model village nw??
12:41 pm நான்: now, he along with some other social activists, is a part of that India Against Corruption (IAC) NGO.
yes.
his model village was successful.
but now he's fighting for a corruption free india.
maangna: oh adunala his name came to a frame?
நான்: i wont say, this only shooted him to fame.
12:42 pm but, this shot him to a visible substance, among the youth
and the prime users of social media.
maangna: aw
நான்: his NGO has other famous members too.
12:43 pm to name a few, Shanthi Bhushan and Prashanth Bhushan.
maangna: avaala yaru?
நான்: former was a law minister. later is, formers son.
both are advocates.
maangna: ohh
நான்: both have fought and been renowned for being righteous.
straight forward.
12:44 pm their integrity is kept as their identity.
and there is one called Swami Agnivesh.
he's a swamiji.
but, he's been active in handling political affairs with a welfare mind to india.
and its people.
12:45 pm Kiran Bedi - former IPS officer.
she's with them.
getting anyting?
maangna: ohhh
lite a
நான்: hm. ippo kanna kattudho?
maangna: i don like 8th std will go to 9th std
நான்: ok.
ur dbl promed
u r in 11th.
12:46 pm (gud in maths ah?)
maangna: nooooooooo
நான்: vidu vidu!
maangna: camera handle panarthuku eduku pa maths
நான்: no pa. am askg abt me.
vidu vidu!
12:47 pm maangna: unakum noo dan pa
நான்: ok. back to topic.
maangna: yep
நான்: so all these people joined together and framed a law.
wt is a LAW ??
12:48 pm ???
???
?
maangna: iru da
நான்: no wikipedia pls.
maangna: is kinda a protocol!!!
12:49 pm நான்: ok. to be in detail:
a law is an enactment agreed by a majority in the parliament or assembly in india.
for other countries, their govt (comprised of kings, or parliaments) have to accept the proposal, to make it a LAW.
12:50 pm maangna: history padikara mari iruku
நான்: a law, before being enacted (agreed by parliament) is called BILL.
no Civics.
so, back to topic.
these people drafted a bill.
12:51 pm maangna: but y did u goto law nw
நான்: wt did IAC people do? they drafted a law (bill).
but, only people who r members of the parliament are allowed to pass a bill.
you and i cannot go and pass a bill otherwise.
12:52 pm maangna: wat bill
நான்: -- this is totally different from the hotel bill wt we discussed.
a LAW before being enacted is called as a BILL.
maangna: ohh
12:53 pm நான்: but, these people, must be criticised as being, so enthusiastic, drafted their own BILL.
a BILL called Jan Lokpal Bill.
12:54 pm if this is enacted in parliament, it will becaome Jan Lokpal Act
maangna: talaya sutudu... am losing marks at concept of law/bill
நான்: vidu vidu.
now let's see what is there in the Jan Lokpal. that will be easier.
12:55 pm the bill was aimed at people in the govt who are corrupt.
it asks for a separate authority with investigative powers.
the authority will be present at both center and the states.
12:56 pm it will be able to receive complaints of corrupt practices against govt authorities. and investigate them. and recommend or impose penalty against them.
12:57 pm if in the example above we discussed, if this authority exists, i can go and complain that, the bearer refused a meal for me, though i was willing and he was able to offer me one.
that being not able to me, i had to sit and watch you eat. and i had to stay hungry.
got it?
12:58 pm enna pa? paechu moochae kaanum?
maangna: swathi fell dwn fainted
நான்: wow wow wow.
innum konjam try panna, mukunthan arrested for murder then.
maangna: yeah
நான்: dubai it employee killed sister through gtalk.
12:59 pm ???
bol bol.
purinjudha illaya?
maangna: almost
நான்: ok. who will write this jan lok pas as an act?
1:00 pm maangna: members of parliament
நான்: good.
but, will they ever do it?
they are the hotel bearers in our example.
1:01 pm so, anna hazare kept on approaching the ministers and mps for enacting this law for more than a year.
as nothing happened in his direction, he went on a hunger strike till death in new delhi.
1:02 pm this even, was too magnificent.
it shook not just the whole of india. but also the world.
getting?
again fainted?
1:03 pm mukuntha, keep it up!
maangna: wait da anna... on call.....
நான்: o,m
ok
1:07 pm yaaru pa?
1:08 pm maangna: my gang pa con call
நான்: velangichu
ok aparam paakalam!
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